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Have you ever seen that

Jock — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:15:02 +0000

Have you ever seen that five minute guide to "The Road to Serfdom" - it's on here somewhere - http://www.jockcoats.org.uk/road_serfdom_five_minutes

It's a bit like that, but focussed particularly on civil liberties rather than "post war planning", and it takes two hours. It's quite sensationalist, but you can see why it needs to be.

Taking Liberties

OneHourAhead — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:05:33 +0000

No Probs. Still haven't seen 'Taking Liberties'. Worth a watch?

That's the badger!

Jock — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:01:12 +0000

That's the badger! Thanks. I knew it was Locke in the back of my mind. Can you tell I was watching "Taking Liberties" last night?

Social Contract

OneHourAhead — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:33:55 +0000

Is this what you are looking for:

"whenever the legislators endeavour to take away, and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge, which God hath provided for all men, against force and violence. Whensoever therefore the legislative shall transgress this fundamental rule of society; and either by ambition, fear, folly or corruption, endeavour to grasp themselves, or put into the hands of any other, an absolute power over the lives, liberties, and estates of the people; by this breach of trust they forfeit the power the people had put into their hands for quite contrary ends, and it devolves to the people, who. have a right to resume their original liberty, and, by the establishment of a new legislative, (such as they shall think fit) provide for their own safety and security, which is the end for which they are in society."

It is Locke, from The Second Treatise of Civil Government can be found here

Quote needed...

Jock — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:42:02 +0000

Can anyone help me find this quote and who said or wrote it. It's to do with when a government does something or other nasty that may affect the citizens they have lost their legitemacy and the citizen is no longer obliged to follow their decree. My hunch is that it was perhaps Locke but I can't find what I'm looking for anywhere. Anyone help?